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    Is there a a clear protocol for morphometry? I'm thinking of things like taking samples. Sure I read somewhere that it ought to be a sample of young bees shaken from a comb after the flying bees have gone. Obviously this would remove adult drifters and maximise the chance of grabbing that Mars bar.

    John D also said that standardising on which wing to take was important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gavin View Post
    John D also said that standardising on which wing to take was important.
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    I always use the right forewing but does the software not flip the image if the left wing is used?

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    I have tried flipping a left wing image and measuring up with beemorph; the results are subtly different. However if you use a large enough sample then it probably doesn't matter. Asymmetry between left an right wings may indicate stress factors in development and fluctuating wing asymmetry has been used in this way in CCD research as a measure of stress. Way back in the 1950s there was work done showing quite striking asymmetry when measuring wings and numbers of hamuli etc.
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    Col44..jpg col43..jpg col36..jpg col48..jpg col46..jpg

    Latest plots hot off the press. Thanks to Roger P. again for taking the time to do the samples.

    Jimbo - there is a whiff of mars bar about 44 but I accept the sample size is small.
    It looks to be well clustered.

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    Hi Jon,

    Very impressive. I think with a set of results like that I need to send you a fun pack of mars bars. e-mail an address and I will send them over. Of course I would expect a queen or two back especially from Col 44. Only joking but well done.

    Jimbo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbo View Post
    Hi Jon,Very impressive. I think with a set of results like that I need to send you a fun pack of mars bars.
    Well played that man.

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    Hello All,

    What Jon didn't tell you was that Colony 48 had 43 wings, seven of which didn't register because D/S was >-10°. At least one was -13°. This I think is a slight problem with MorphPlot, and I have previously discussed it with Peter Edwards, as I have experienced it on several occasions. If you get "999" in the D/S column, go back to DrawWing "Results" and check the file.

    When Peter has time he will look at it and see if he can easily modify it.

    Roger Patterson.

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