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Morphometry in a new light
Well folks, Jon kindly sent me the raw data for colonies 44 and 46, two of his better ones. Curious to see how the data looked in 3 dimensions, I loaded three variables (CS, DI and HI) (OK then, CI, DS and HI) into a program written by Micha Bayer of SCRI's Bioinformatics group called CurlyWhirly. You can freely rotate the 3D plot manually by spinning the plot with the mouse. Here is one projection of the three variables for the two colonies. The two colonies fall into separate 3D space in some projections even though both are 'good' Amm. Do you like?!
Jon_44_46..jpg
The program can also take video clips of the rotating figure. Have done so, but it is taking hours to upload to YouTube so you'll have to wait for that.
G.
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I know a guy called Richard Bache who might be put into a spin by that programme!
Don't you just love it when beekeeping gets like Star Trek.
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Right! I boldly went where no man has gone before and finally converted 60% of the file (that's all the free download will let me convert) to a more suitable format and uploaded to your favourite video website.
It is more fun to download CurlyWhirly and play with data yourself. The data files are plain text and there is an example which gives you the idea.
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How do you get the data from Drawwing into the application?
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Maybe I’m too new to beekeeping to know what you’re on about and what it can do for you, but what do these graphs and video tell you and how can it help the poor bees??
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Hi Hugh.
It is a way of checking if you have native bees, imported bees, or some kind of hybrid between different races of bee.
Different races of bee can be distinguished by certain physical characteristics such as tongue length, colouration, or in the case of the graphs, characteristic patterns on the wings.
The native bee of the UK, Ireland and North West Europe is Apis Mellifera Mellifera.
Native bees are considered to be better adapted to our climate and foraging conditions, especially the further North or West you get, ie they can survive in the grim mizzle which we all know and love.
If you are interested in breeding AMM, the graph is a good indicator of the racial purity of your breeding stock.
The problem with bee breeding is that drones can fly for miles so the virgin queen can mate with a variety of drones of unknown provenance.
It should not of course be used an an exclusive means of selection of breeding stock as gentleness, honey production, frugal overwintering and the usual desirable features should be taken into account along with the graphs.
Last edited by Jon; 04-11-2010 at 11:14 AM.
Reason: typos
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Excellently put Jon.
To prepare the data for CurlyWhirly I added a column for 'Category' (colony), removed one dodgy data point, and pasted into a .txt file using Notepad. Then in CurlyWhirly you 'Open Data' under 'File'. Here are the contents of your wing morphometry file.
If anyone would like to take Jon's data (kindly extracted by Roger P) for a spin, copy the text below into a plain text file. As this site stripped out the necessary tabs between the data points, you will need to replace (<cntrl> H in Notepad) a single space with a tab (make a tab character in Notepad and paste the character into the 'Replace' command). For the morphometry freaks, I'd recommend trying this out as the spinning which I could capture in that video is constrained around the Y axis.
G.
Category Wing Ci DsA Hi
44 1 1.93 -5.348 0.9466
44 2 1.898 -1.921 0.8942
44 3 1.813 -3.788 0.9016
44 4 1.841 -5.733 0.8018
44 5 1.591 -4.783 0.8517
44 6 1.739 -4.373 0.923
44 7 1.458 -4.445 0.8378
44 8 1.626 -7.22 0.8715
44 9 1.596 -3.663 0.9639
44 10 1.693 -6.484 0.8528
44 11 1.527 -6.153 0.8676
44 12 1.492 -5.484 0.8346
44 13 1.684 -6.168 0.8281
44 14 1.837 -6.111 0.7802
44 15 1.624 -3.376 0.8317
44 16 1.927 -4.236 0.8966
44 17 1.787 -6.167 0.8114
44 18 1.548 -4.466 0.9412
44 19 1.571 -4.276 0.9052
44 20 1.61 -2.979 0.8566
44 21 1.497 -3.82 0.8944
44 22 1.53 -3.025 0.9494
44 23 1.908 -4.455 0.8594
44 24 1.752 -5.09 0.9206
44 25 1.463 -3.457 0.876
44 26 1.759 -7.427 0.8004
44 27 1.673 -5.623 0.8817
44 28 1.717 -4.821 0.806
44 30 1.791 -2.559 0.8741
44 31 1.912 -3.924 1.0016
44 32 1.812 -1.665 0.9489
44 33 1.783 -5.225 0.9485
44 34 1.524 -5.754 0.8139
44 35 1.826 -3.754 0.9923
44 36 1.91 -3.794 0.8504
44 37 1.819 -3.06 0.8456
46 1 1.716 -7.012 0.8604
46 2 1.851 -3.381 0.7668
46 3 1.673 -4.963 0.9029
46 4 2.025 -5.744 0.8084
46 5 2.004 -3.002 0.861
46 6 2.025 -3.082 0.9152
46 7 1.858 -2.818 0.8837
46 8 1.728 -3.726 0.8613
46 9 1.821 -1.658 0.8944
46 10 1.614 -5.161 0.7797
46 11 1.603 -2.075 0.8652
46 12 1.635 -2.144 0.8479
46 13 1.753 -3.834 0.8138
46 14 1.663 -2.277 0.9176
46 15 1.78 -5.713 0.7945
46 16 1.515 -5.32 0.7831
46 17 1.951 -2.256 0.8011
46 18 1.817 -2.917 0.7806
46 19 1.702 -3.734 0.8202
46 20 1.768 -4.761 0.8724
46 21 1.548 -2.709 0.8173
46 22 1.816 -2.678 0.9175
46 23 2.062 -3.638 0.858
46 24 1.524 0.9758 0.9386
46 25 1.693 -1.671 0.8534
46 26 1.593 -2.167 0.8806
46 27 1.297 -5.074 0.7462
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I was hoping you would have come up with some way to take the data straight out of the Drawwing excel file.
I'll give it a go with some of the other results I have.
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You just copy and paste from Excel to Notepad, and you're done. To plot more than one colony just add a column at the start, insert the name you are using for the colony, and then add extra colonies as extra rows.
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Well I gave it a go. Not sure what I learned but it was fun standing on the bridge of the Enterprise for a minute or two.
If you put in data from two similar colonies it just rotates in a similar fashion - not surprisingly I suppose.
We need a volunteer with a set of Buckfast or Carnica wings to expose to the dilithium crystals.
I remember Roger had scattergrams from a few diverse colonies and swarms which were published in the bibba magazine a few months back.
Those might be interesting to plot against native type bees.
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