Can someone tell me ....

[gavin]

Btw - I know some of this won't be of interest to the old hands here, but as a newbie I avidly read EVERYTHING that's written here, even when I haven't a clue what it's about, so I hope there are other newbies who might be interested. :0)

Hi Bridget

That makes it all worthwhile!

Brown pollen? Could be bird cherry or another Prunus. The bird cherry here is in full flower and the plums are out too - may be the source of the brown pollen my bees are bringing in.

Blue? Possibly Scilla sibirica, spring squill.

White? Do you have any butterbur in your area? It might still be in flower. There may be other possibilities.

Your brood box sounds quite busy. Seven full frames of sealed brood will make about 14 frames of bees, so I think that you did the right thing. OK, the coming cold weather might delay them using the new frames, but they will be short of space very soon.

G.

[Jon]

Gavin is probably right re. the blue pollen as the only other blue one I see is Rosebay Willowherb and that is in flower during July and August. The shoots are barely through the ground at the moment.

The good thing about a bee forum is that everyone brings a different point of view to the table and as long as people don't fall out over pesticides or the best race of bee to keep it is of great benefit to everyone. I pick up tips all the time. The other forum I like is Bee-L. It is quite US centric but focuses on the science of beekeeping as opposed to the normal forum chatter.

[Bumble]

How does a beginner work out approx how many bees there are in the hive.

For a National hive, this page on Dave Cushman's site might help http://www.dave-cushman.net/bee/beesest.html

[Bridget]

G.

Brown pollen? Could be bird cherry or another Prunus. The bird cherry here is in full flower and the plums are out too - may be the source of the brown pollen my bees are bringing in.

Blue? Possibly Scilla sibirica, spring squill.

White? Do you have any butterbur in your area? It might still be in flower. There may be other possibilities.

Your brood box sounds quite busy. Seven full frames of sealed brood will make about 14 frames of bees, so I think that you did the right thing. OK, the coming cold weather might delay them using the new frames, but they will be short of space very soon.

G.

Thanks, very useful. These bees are teaching me lots of things including a sudden interest in trees and plants. I don't have any Scilla but I'm sure neighbours do. Def not seen any butterburr but there is a cherry tree in a sheltered spot in full flower about 1/2 a mile away and it was full of both bumble and honeybees. We have our own two very big cherry trees but they are not in blossom yet.

[Bridget]

I was tempted to super them but I took out 3 frames of stores from one and two from the other and replaced them with drawn comb.

Jon when you take out the frames of stores how much are you leaving them with and why does this not leave them short? Or do they just work even harder to replenish? How does this help to give them more space? Also what happens to the stores you took out? Do you save them somehow to give to another colony that's short?

[Jon]

why does this not leave them short?

bees often have far more stores than they need, and in addition beekeepers often overfeed in the spring which can leave the queen short of space to lay.
You have to make a judgement call based on the size of the colony, the weather forecast for the next few weeks and the amount of stores left in the colony.
At this time of year a couple of frames of stores is sufficient, imho. If you have a brood box with 6 or 7 frames of sealed stores it is just restricting the laying space of the queen.
I save any stores removed for feeding back later or for making up nucs. Most of the stuff removed is sugar syrup fed in the autumn rather than honey.

[Bridget]

So if you took out say two frames would you put the new frames exactly where you took the old frames out or would you move everything up two notches and put them on the end?

[Bridget]

Thinking about what I just wrote I suppose that if you were giving the queen more space for more brood you would put them on either side of the existing brood filled frames

[Mellifera Crofter]

I save any stores removed for feeding back later or for making up nucs.

What is the best, or your preferred, way of saving frames of honey, Jon? Just save them in an empty box, wrap them up in cling film, or extract them to feed back later?

Kitta

[Jon]

I just set the frames in a spare nuc and make sure it is closed up. The stores have to be sealed as open stores will absorb water and start to ferment. A sealed frame weighs about 5lbs

if you were giving the queen more space for more brood you would put them on either side of the existing brood filled frames

That's the way I do it but bear in mind that you don't want to remove stores if the bees are likely to need them in a period of bad weather.
I remember helping someone with a double brood box of bees. For some reason he was still feeding in May. The top box had 11 frames of stores capped and sealed and the bottom one was mostly stores as well. It also had a super on which was capped and sealed and he then asked me how you could avoid getting syrup in the honey!! All you can do with frames like this is use them for feeding bees as there is likely more sugar than honey in them.
I also know people who feed up to the day that the supers go on. A week later the super is half full (of syrup) as the bees take the opportunity to enlarge the brood nest and move all the syrup stores up above.