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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexJ View Post
    That being said it can't be an easy field to be involved in given the politics, polarised lobbying groups and liberal misinformation that's regularly peddled on the subject.
    Absolutely. Anyone who doesn't say what people want them to say is in for a pasting (Jerry Bromenshenk; French scientists who didn't follow the line promoted by their beekeeping organisations), and in Jeff Pettis' case his words have been twisted to fit the preconceptions of people really not interested in the truth.

    It certainly isn't a field where you want naive scientists diving in who know nothing about the complexities of the interactions between the many factors affecting bee health. Or scientists who like jumping to conclusions without paying any attention to the existing evidence.



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    This is the Pettis study referred to earlier in the thread.
    Noticed that Juanse posted a link to it on Bee-L today.
    Old news, but brings the thread up to date.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3264871/

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    Thanks Jon, given recent activity on the forum there's probably something in the article for everyone to chew over. Perhaps once things calm down on other threads it would be good to go over the article to discuss the issues it raises in some detail to discuss the issues (as well as underlying scientific techniques/statistical methods)..........
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    This paper by Alaux covers similar territory re. nosema interactions with pesticides.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2847190/

    I don't think there is a problem on the other threads. You always gets the odd person who is on a blind crusade against pesticides irrespective of the available evidence but the rest of us just want to take an impartial look at the evidence for and against pesticide damage to bees.
    It is like a clash between science and religion as the mindset of the anti pesticide campaigners is often fundamentalist. That is what generates the friction.
    Noone in their right mind thinks that pesticides are good for bees but some are much worse than others and some methods of application are much more dangerous to bees, ie spray applications or dust clouds from planters are high risk events.
    There may well be a case for banning or restricting certain products used in a certain way on certain crops if it can be demonstrated that this is problematic for bees or other pollinators and I would welcome that irrespective of which companies have vested interests in selling the product.

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