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    Hi prakel
    If AVM does exist then I feel it would occur in certain strains of all races not just Amm
    But although I am sceptical I'm keeping an open mind
    Check the hive monitoring thread
    If we got the project I'm suggesting up and running it might help answer the questions
    We could know whether the low temperature, bad weather, short duration Amm mating flights are a reality because that is the cornerstone for AVM theory

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Drone Ranger View Post
    Hi prakel
    If AVM does exist then I feel it would occur in certain strains of all races not just Amm
    But although I am sceptical I'm keeping an open mind
    Check the hive monitoring thread
    If we got the project I'm suggesting up and running it might help answer the questions
    We could know whether the low temperature, bad weather, short duration Amm mating flights are a reality because that is the cornerstone for AVM theory
    Sorry, not much chance of me reading the hive monitoring thread -it frazzles my brain just thinking about it Reminds me of some of the extreme-insulator posts elsewhere.

    I doubt very much that it's any more a 'strain' issue than a racial one. Opportunistic behaviour resulting from an unnaturally high density of colonies, maybe. but I'll be pleased to hear any results you do get so long as I don't need to learn about programming anything in the meantime (I'm still finding new gadgets on my three year old phone!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by prakel View Post
    Sorry, not much chance of me reading the hive monitoring thread -it frazzles my brain just thinking about it Reminds me of some of the extreme-insulator posts elsewhere.

    I doubt very much that it's any more a 'strain' issue than a racial one. Opportunistic behaviour resulting from an unnaturally high density of colonies, maybe. but I'll be pleased to hear any results you do get so long as I don't need to learn about programming anything in the meantime (I'm still finding new gadgets on my three year old phone!).
    Gosh I really hope its more constructive than arguments about thermal conductance Lol!

    If AVM was a density driven behaviour wouldn't the big name beekeepers from the past have been reporting it (the Gales,Snelgroves,Pellet etc)?

    When it comes to hive monitoring
    The most important thing about any project is deciding what info you want to get out of it
    That then points to what data you need to put in
    In technoland what a systems analyst does


    In the real world that's what everyone does, so any thoughts you have are gold dust
    For example how can we detect when a queen leaves a mating nuc ?
    I am mulling over noise or perhaps invisible UV marking
    The worry with the UV is that although we dont see it birds do

    Mostly everyones knowlege is like a lake 100 miles wide and 1 inch deep
    An "expert" might have some 2 inch deep bits of a the lake
    A specialist a 12" deep pond sized bit
    I am still battling with tapatalk
    I can't find anything on windows after XP
    Googling keeps me sane using Linux (else it would be broken a lot of the time)
    A village idiot could get something out of an arduino or Attiny thats the reason they are popular

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Drone Ranger View Post
    If AVM was a density driven behaviour wouldn't the big name beekeepers from the past have been reporting it (the Gales,Snelgroves,Pellet etc)?
    Funnily enough, I believe that the primary historical references I've seen were from the big names -maybe because they were the ones who published their observations. I've already referenced the observations which I've come across, in the various different threads on the subject.

    If someone states that there are no long term feral colonies left an entire raft of astute observers will come forth to assert that they've been following one or several such colonies for a decade or more. Yet I'm still waiting to see one discription of avm happening outside one of these secluded colonies which have been closely watched for several years. That'll no doubt change now! I think the name apiary vicinity mating is quite apt and probably the biggest clue as to what's going on.

    On the subject of Gales, several years ago I did some renovation/conversion work on the family farm. At the time they still employed a couple of the old hands; they were probably little more than youngsters in the days of the bees, we had some great conversations a lot of which were about queen bees dashing around all over the place... a great opportunity lost to the ignorance of my youth!

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