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    Whats the story with these Beinn Eighe to bees that are supposed to have survived in the Highlands,
    Are they on to something or is it just a media thing. I just read the scottish beekeepers report for 2014 and found it interesting

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    A media thing probably

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    It is getting difficult to find pure examples of the native types but they've managed it there.

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    I read the report and it said on the last page "Morphometric testing has shown that Apis melifera melifera colonies were successfully produced using the grafting and mating methods described. Worker bee samples have been harvested from 6 hives and DNA tested by Dr Ewan Campbell (in press) to assess the degree of purity achieved."
    http://www.scottishbeekeepers.org.uk...%202014%20.pdf
    So what was (will) the result be are they pure Amms and can Morphometric testing be relied on as I read somewhere it cannot. Im curious and interested iin this subject.

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    Wing morphometry works well to identify pure race populations where morphometry has never been used by beekeepers as a selection criteria.
    Ruttner devised the technique to distinguish between pure race subspecies.

    It is of little or no value in already hybridised populations. If a sample shows 50% of the wings corresponding to Amm wing pattern it is not necessarily a 'purer' sample than a colony which shows 30% wing pattern. The reverse could be true. It is just pointless to use it in situations like this.

    This paper explains the limitations.

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    Hi Greengage
    Because these bees are varroa free that would indicate they have not had any contact with the general bee population
    So they are isolated at least
    You could move to Colonsay and take a hive of these bees with you if you like once they are credited with Amm varroa free status
    Last edited by The Drone Ranger; 11-11-2015 at 10:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Drone Ranger View Post
    Hi Greengage

    You could move to Colonsay and take a hive of these bees with you if you like once they are credited with Amm varroa free status
    At £15 pounds a jar of honey it must be something special, Aside from getting married, drinking in the brewery, praying and Macphie bagging how would i survive, with one hive.
    Looks like a stunning place to live but you cannot eat the scenery. There is a place off the west coast of Ireland Inishbofin, I would like to live there it still has corncrakes and as far as i know one beekeeper who established an Apiary there in 2013 but I do not know the status of them or if he still has them. Jon tks for the link Ill have a read,

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    Wing scanning ?
    The French physician Mesmer claimed he could cure sick people using magnets
    When it was proved that waving his hand round them without magnets still cured them he then developed his theory of animal magnetism
    Eventually the placebo effect was given credit for the successful outcomes
    Mesmer never accepted this

    Mesmerism, animal magnetism and other rubbish still persists because people want to believe it


    Wing scanning orthodoxy then seems to be, if you scan your hybridised bees wings it proves nothing, but if you scan your Amm bees it is strong evidence of purity.

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    They're already in my shed, there is scratching in the mornings when I go to feed the chickens. Last year it was rats.

    Time to crack open the poison I think.

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