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**Jon** · 17-10-2010, 11:29 AM

Here's another one.
This one was also mated with Galtee drones.
This is a daughter of 33 and sister of 36 from the last batch.
The queen is completely black.

The sample was taken from older bees at the entrance, same as the last batch I posted.

col53..jpg

**Roger Patterson** · 18-10-2010, 08:32 AM

Jon,

I have no idea what an anxiety attack is. May need help on this one!

I am trying to source info on the others. It seems to me one major problem is that 100% pure anything no longer exists, but that is only anecdotal.

Last week I spoke to a Slovakian beekeeper and they are only allowed to keep carnica. I asked him if there were ever checks made for purity and he said no. I asked him if swarming is a problem and he said yes, so they are probably fairly pure!

Roger Patterson.

**Jon** · 26-10-2010, 01:35 PM

I thought it might be useful to compare the bees to the scattergrams.
It is 15c here today and the nucs behind the shed were very active.

bees-col-44..jpg Col44..jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hW8K7kOiZ04

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iEj0Y_Plco

PS. The queen heading this colony is a daughter of the Norwegian Blue.

**gavin** · 26-10-2010, 06:31 PM

Nice to see behind your shed! And there was me expecting a Monty Python video .....

What weighting do people put on the Hantel Index? I see that col 44 didn't do so well when you include HI data, but col 46 above (see 8 Oct post) was more or less perfect apart from that one bee (which could have been a drifter).

G.

**Jon** · 26-10-2010, 06:43 PM

What weighting do people put on the Hantel Index?

I would love to know the answer to things like that.
Roger Patterson was also complaining the other day that there is a lack of guidance on the interpretation of DrawWing charts.
I was wondering about what weight to put on a scattergram with a tight cluster like that.
Perhaps it means no more than the queen mated with a dozen drones from a single colony as opposed to a dozen drones from several different colonies.
I imagine that mating with drones from a single colony would tend to lead to more uniformity in something like wing patterns as all the drones would be from the same mother and would be passing on very similar genetics.

PS. Behind that shed is a good spot for nucs as it is at least 80 feet from any neighbour's back door and there is no easy access for youngsters other than coming right through the garden. The shed forces the bees up over 8 feet before they can fly.

**Jon** · 19-11-2010, 05:27 PM

Here's another one.
This one is a daughter of a Galtee queen.

Col57..jpg

**EmsE** · 21-11-2010, 09:12 PM

I've a lovely diagram of a bees wing explaining how the Cubital index and Discoidal shift are worked out but nowhere has mentioned the Hantel index. How is this worked out?