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**Rosie** · 27-10-2013, 04:10 PM

To the purists AMM- would be more appropriate but I'll stick with near native.

Trog, have you ever heard of the champion Welsh cob stud called Ebbw Victor?

Horses and dogs are all breeds anyway but we are talking about sub-species which is quite different. I suspect that all domestic horses are the same sub-species. Gavin might clarify.

**Trog** · 27-10-2013, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by Rosie

Trog, have you ever heard of the champion Welsh cob stud called Ebbw Victor?.

No, not that one, but it's been a while (over 20 years) since I looked into such things. My old girl's very blue-blooded but I bought her for hacking, not showing, so I've not paid much attention to her ancestry! It was her movement as a foal/yearling that made me think she'd be a comfortable ride ... and I was right!

**madasafish** · 27-10-2013, 05:31 PM

"Gone native " used to a form of abuse.

(My ancestral line dates back to Border Reivers who were hung for stealing cattle.. )

**Trog** · 27-10-2013, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by madasafish

"Gone native " used to a form of abuse.

(My ancestral line dates back to Border Reivers who were hung for stealing cattle.. )

My maternal grandfather used to deflect enquiries about his ancestors with, 'I wouldn't ask; they probably got hanged for sheep stealing'.

**The Drone Ranger** · 27-10-2013, 11:55 PM

Originally Posted by Rosie

To the purists AMM- would be more appropriate but I'll stick with near native.

That's going to have to be sorted out Steve
I had in mind AMM + some good bits from other breeds = AMM+
Then AMM without the extras and no proven record of producing 10 supers per hive would be AMM -
Near native is good as well because it covers all the options by not mentioning where they are natives of or how near they need to be

It doesn't sound too promising until you realise it has wiped out all the hybrid bees and replaced them all with AMM or near natives - overnight
Result!!

**gavin** · 28-10-2013, 10:29 AM

I'm sticking with near native or Ammish. The latter gives an aura of oldworldliness, ethics, dark attire, closed communities, total lack of aggression, dark beards on chins, self sufficiency and frugality.

But all a bit -ish these days.

G

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**Rosie** · 28-10-2013, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by The Drone Ranger

I had in mind AMM + some good bits from other breeds = AMM+

I thought you would see it that way. My view is that they are pure AMM with some genes lost. Hence AMM- but I'm still sticking with near native although Gavin's Ammish sounds quite attractive.