Hello colleagues. Whether used in your region are hives?
http://youtu.be/R5iSc2tFbSs
Maybe there is such a topic. I have not found. Sorry if that is not the case.
Sincerely, Fidan.
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Hello colleagues. Whether used in your region are hives?
http://youtu.be/R5iSc2tFbSs
Maybe there is such a topic. I have not found. Sorry if that is not the case.
Sincerely, Fidan.
Hi Fidan, thanks for uploading the video. Even without being able to understand the narration it was still enjoyable to watch.
Fantastic film and thanks for letting us view it. What a set up"
Well worth watching.
It is amazing how much there is in common between different countries with regard to beekeeping.
Nearly everything in the video was familiar and understandable even without a soundtrack.
I use a queenright queenraising system like the guy in the video but I graft larvae directly from a comb into the cell cups rather than using a system which confines the queen until she lays in the cup.
I noticed that eggs rather than larvae were introduced. I use 12-24 hour old larvae when queen rearing as I have been led to believe that eggs are often rejected but that is obviously not the case with your system.
I enjoyed seeing how the beekeeper in the video had home made devices to speed up assembly of both supers and frames.
The frames used in the supers are quite different from the ones we use with a wire support rather than a wooden one.
What race of bee is he working with? They are very dark but the odd one had a yellow band. The queen looked more like a AM carnica than an AM mellifera queen although some of mine are slightly banded as well.
Fascinating. Did I count up to 16 boxes for a single hive? All with eight frames and all less deep than a National super. That's a lot of handling.
The main thing unfamiliar was the additional slotted entrance just above the standard entrance. I assumed this might be a way to simply reduce the entrance to stop robbing? I have a Russian colleague and will ask him.
I agree with Jon ... neat box and frame building jigs.
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Which kinds of hives do we use?
If so ....
National
Smith
WBC
Langstroth
Commercial
Dadant
and Warre, Top Bar Hive or various designs (sometimes), Dartington, BeeHaus .....
but not any longer .... (as far as I know)
Cottager
Stewarton
Glen
.... and several more.
Thanks Gavin! Maybe Fidan can then tell us what they're using. To me the hive boxes look smaller and more square than Langstroth all-mediums.
Kitta
Correx! Would look good with Vladimir Putin on the front!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WjpN-CSpKQ&list=UUue8V6a4fIYZX7rf9Pn1qLw&index=30
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Can you perhaps rephrase your question?
Mellifera Crofter, Kitta, sorry for my English. :mad: :D
Vladimir Khomich my friend. I'm looking for on the Internet beekeepers who use such beehive. On your forum is not found. My question - Does anyone uses the hives?
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What race of bee is he working with? They are very dark but the odd one had a yellow band.
Vladimir says about the breed - probably karpatka. Perhaps karpatka sister carnika. Vladimir exchanges with other beekeepers best queens.
Apparently, it is a winter bottom box. Dead bees will not close the slot entrance.Quote:
The main thing unfamiliar was the additional slotted entrance just above the standard entrance. I assumed this might be a way to simply reduce the
entrance to stop robbing?
Vladimir says about himself on his website. In Russian - http://pchelhom.ucoz.ru/
In English by Google - http://translate.google.com/translat...hom.ucoz.ru%2F
Sorry. This is not Putin. I do not understand this humor. Sorry.Quote:
Correx! Would look good with Vladimir Putin on the front!
Hi Fidan.
Apologies for the twisted humour. Could not resist!
I make temporary plastic boxes out of old election posters.
The box in the video has one of our local politicians on it.
Careful Jon, that probably counts as hooliganism !
Good idea for the winter entrance ... Kielers could do with one like that. They have that stupid sort of angled tunnel which can get blocked with corpses.
I can not read your humor friendly. However, it is your right. I'm just your guest.
Hi Fidan,
Thanks for linking the video, very interesting. I can't say that I recognise the hive type in the video though the principle of using boxes all the same size for brood and honey isn't that unusual but this:
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8367/8...e70f0a65_o.jpg
Is far more common a hive type in the UK. i.e. a larger brood box with smaller supers for collecting honey.
Thanks Fidan - your English is just fine (probably better than mine).
No, I've not seen hives similar to Vladimir's being used in the UK. One-box systems are used. The most well-known one-box hive system is Langstroth all-mediums (frame depth is 6.25" or 157mm and the top bar is 19" or 48.26cm long). (A Langstroth medium box is the same size as a Dadant shallow). Below is one of my Langstroth all-mediums:
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Some of the others include:
The Rose Hive system - but that's not a popular hive because parts aren't readily available. The Rose hive is almost the same size as a National (the hive that Neil illustrated) but the boxes are shallower than the National brood box and deeper than the National supers.
A lot more popular than The Rose Hive is the Warré. People often make their own Warré hives. The outside dimensions for a Warré are, I think, 340mm x 340mm and, looking at your friend's website and his plans for The Alpine Hive, I think the Warré is the closest to your friend's hive design but the boxes are deeper. (Anybody - please correct me if I'm wrong! I'm not very good at reading plans. I need to see things in front of me.)
I'm not surprised that Vladimir's Alpine Hive and the Warré have similar outside dimensions because I notice that Vladimir refers to Roger Delon's climate-stable hive. I tend to think of Roger Delon and Warré as having had very similar aims - am I right? I also agree with them. I think those dimensions are ideal for a healthy colony: as winter progresses, they only need to move higher and higher - they don't have to cross cold frames from left to right to get to their food and, I think, are less likely to suffer from isolation starvation.
So why don't I have Warré hives .... I still have to make them! Perhaps I will. With my present hives (National and Langstroth) I try as much as possible to compensate by reducing the space with dummy boards.
However, unlike the Warré, Vladimir's Alpine Hive has the more usual, contemporary design similar to, say, a Langstroth all-medium hive. I found the Langstroth all-mediums difficult and clumsy to handle. I think the boxes are too large. I'm now in the process of changing to Nationals. Looking at Vladimir (is it Vladimir in the video?) manipulating his hives, it seems a lot easier as the boxes are so small and easy to lift. I'm not sure I would like that many boxes in a hive though. Perhaps handling that many boxes might become easier with more experience - I don't know. (I'm starting my fourth year of beekeeping and still think of myself as a novice.)
I'm pleased you told us about your friend's website. It's fascinating. What about yourself? What hives do you have? And is The Alpine Hive a popular hive in your area?
Kitta
Hi gavin, Neils, Jon, Kitta .
Very glad to communicate with you. Nothing prevents understand each other, even my unimportant English. :D
Thank Neils. These hives have some advantages too. I like the low box.Quote:
Thanks for linking the video, very interesting. I can't say that I recognise the hive type in the video though the principle of using boxes all the same size for brood and honey isn't that unusual but this:
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is it Vladimir in the video?
Thanks Kitty. Yes you are right. Vladimir hives like hive Warri. Inner dimensions of 300x300 mm. Height of 108 mm. Weight of the box with about 8 kg of honey. Quickly sealed cell. Honey from honey plants are different in different boxes. One box - one nuc.
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(I'm starting my fourth year of beekeeping and still think of myself as a novice.)
I have a few dadant. And a few hives like Vladimir. They are very comfortable for me. I am in love with this hive. But they are still not popular.
Hi Fidan, how do you find that these little hives compare to your dadants over the course of the year? Myself, I've started to work my dadants differently to how I've previously used them; I now reduce the number of frames in the brood chamber and add a shallow box above as I see a far faster build up if the bees are allowed to move up rather than being forced to work out towards the side walls.
I've watched most of the video, it's really interesting. Thank you.
I quite like the idea, shown near the beginning, of collecting catkins to provide pollen but I'm not so sure about running syrup into an open trough although I can see it would save time.
I noticed, I think, that these hives don't have crown boards (a board between the colony and the roof).
Do you, by any chance, know what the blue flowers are at about 15 mins?
Fidan,
How does your year compare to ours? I know Russia covers a large area and there's going to be differences, but we think here of Russian winters being long and cold, do you do anything in particular to insulate hives? When do you start to gear up for spring and make preparation for winter?
I gather you've had varroa for a lot longer than we have, what's a typical russian treatment plan? Do you se thymol, Formic acid, oxalic acid, something else?
Hello all forum users.
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Hi Fidan, how do you find that these little hives compare to your dadants over the course of the year? Myself, I've started to work my dadants differently to how I've previously used them; I now reduce the number of frames in the brood chamber and add a shallow box above as I see a far faster build up if the bees are allowed to move up rather than being forced to work out towards the side walls.
The size of the hive 300x300 mm cut is more natural for the bees. There is an opinion. But it is questionable. I can say that this keeps the hive easier temperature. This is especially noticeable in the spring.
Vladimir says that bees can successfully contain any type of hive. But this it is more convenient. I think so too.
Yes it is.Quote:
I noticed, I think, that these hives don't have crown boards (a board between the colony and the roof).
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Do you, by any chance, know what the blue flowers are at about 15 mins?
Let me know the name. Then I will answer and you will take the exam ...
Someone leaves a hive in their places. Someone takes them omshanik. Pleasant Russian word "omshanik." This is the construction of hives. More often underground. Sometimes half underground. Sometimes the ground. Omshanik gives stability. In November, set the hive in omshanik. In early April, set the hive in its place.Quote:
do you do anything in particular to insulate hives?
Yes. The same methods. There are proponents of environmental practices. Adding herbs to the smoker. But I have no such experience. I think that without chemicals is now impossible. BUT we reduce immunity bees. Once for it will have to pay something.Quote:
what's a typical russian treatment plan? Do you se thymol, Formic acid, oxalic acid, something else?
I imagine that you're refering to colony build up during the Spring which is basically what I've found by engineering a 'chimney' effect - given the opportunity bees like to go up and down. My own strain of bee is more than capable of filling a 11 comb dadant hive but they're quicker at laying out an equivalent amount of comb spread over a smaller base area. At least, this is what I've observed so far.
I may still take the plunge (not this year) of changing over to a one size box and allowing the brood nest to take a more vertical format.
Perhaps somebody can help Fidan with his exam(!), and give Bumble a reply. Here's the flower:
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Kitta
No, no .. It was the humor .. Russian humor now .. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/mosking.gifQuote:
I'm sorry, I didn't mean my question to sound like a test.
It seems time for the exam .. http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/umnik.gifQuote:
Perhaps somebody can help Fidan with his exam(!), and give Bumble a reply
in Russian - "sinyak." Echium vulgare. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echium_vulgare
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My own strain of bee is more than capable of filling a 11 comb dadant hive but they're quicker at laying out an equivalent amount of comb spread over a smaller base area. At least, this is what I've observed so far.
Hi prakel,
For the answer I need a picture. I'll draw and answer. Thanks for the idea.
Hi Fidan,
where in Russia are you from?
Hello Fidan - not yet - but very soon, I hope.
I'm currently building one to test, using 35mm thick wood (because I have a cheap supply of wood of that thickness). If it's successful, I'll be transferring all my colonies over to the Russian Alpine system, keeping just a few Nationals in order to raise NUCs for sale.
I'd like to clarify a few details with you - either on or off-forum. I emailed Vladimir Khomich (in English) some time ago with an enquiry, but no reply. I guess a language barrier ?
Regards
LJ
Vipers Bugloss is a bit fussy about soil so no good in some areas
great video i could understand it no problem.Just by watching. was amazing seeing the bees so busy when all the snow was arround are the bees apis melifera melifera .they seem very dark.
Well - it's over a year later, and I've been far too busy this current year with my Nationals to have done anything with the Russian 'Alpine' Hive - but on the 4th July (an easy date to remember), by 'instalments' a swarm of Heinz bees ('57 Varieties') moved into a Warre-sized bait box I'd left out - and proceeded to set up home there. After 10 days I transferred them - on the 210mm frames of the bait box - into the Alpine Hive, where they've been flourishing.
I inspected them yesterday, and in just 14 days they've drawn-out seven of those double-sized Delon frames, and now have Brood In All Stages, so I've already nadired a further set of the shallower Russian-sized 108mm frames in a box below. Using the larger frames from the bait box has just meant nailing two of the 'Russian'-sized boxes together for now - hardly a major issue.
What has surprised me is - during the transfer, and during yesterday's inspection - is just how well-behaved these bees are, for I haven't spotted a single bad behavioural trait. Let's hope that this continues as the colony grows in size ...
Whether this calm and gentle behaviour is due solely to their genetics, their current small size, or whether it has something to do with the dimensions and set-up of the hive, only time will tell.
LJ
Interesting, LJ. I'm confused between Delon and Alpine hives. Do they have the same inside footprint, but the Delons being deeper than the Alpines, or are they all the same?
Kitta