Wow! Must avoid upsetting you SDM!Quote:
Originally Posted by SDM
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Wow! Must avoid upsetting you SDM!Quote:
Originally Posted by SDM
Knowing how to do the finger/hand restraint helps
SDM, I think you need to be very careful in recommending people carry out citizens arrests. The risks attached can be very high, to be honest I don't think giving someone 3 broken ribs and a ruptured kidney for trying to steal a car is proportionate to the incident. You were very lucky you were not charged with Serious Assault, especially considering that you have stated that you are a former police officer who would have the skill set to restrain someone without causing injuries consistent with repeated punches to the torso.
Beejaz, if you are not happy with the quality of the investigation and that you believe you can I'd your thief I would advise you to make a complaint about the quality of the investigation. Not all police officers are of the same quality and you could be in this situation. I would be going down the line of it is this person because I recognise the following characteristics...
I was speechless when I saw that last night, so I said nothing ....
The great majority of the inhabitants of the forum are sensible enough to know that they can't break ribs and rupture kidneys with impunity. Folk who do that should be behind bars.
Not surprised Gavin, deeply unpleasant.Quote:
Originally Posted by gavin
You may do whatever is necessary to stop the person you've arrested leaving/resisting. If he didn't try to leave you could not use force, but as I said you are unlikely to encounter any criminal that will simply sit and wait for the police to come. The damage given to him matched exactly what I said I was trying to do, ie. breaking his grip on the car he was trying to escape in. He received no blows to the face or head. If you've ever tried to pull a 6'5" 30yr old male away from something be has a firm grip on you would understand why it is an approved technique to strike(usually under the armpit) I simply started at his kidneys and worked up. Yes I took the opportunity to hurt him more than necessary. I was an arrest and restraint instructor and I know several other ways to do it with less harm, but as a police officer I was not dealing (often) with people stealing "my" property. Those of you who criticise, should probably wait to see how much self control you exhibit when confronted with your own thievesQuote:
Originally Posted by gavin
The extra damage to your thief is optional, the advice to force the hand of the police by arresting him remains the same.
Beyond unpleasant ... deliberate thuggery ... abhorrent.Quote:
Originally Posted by SDM
SDM you should know that the legal standard which operates here in Scotland is that of reasonable force. I'd have thought if you had carried out your arrest as described in this country the Procurator Fiscal could have made a case against you quite easily.
But perhaps you should remember that this is a beekeeping forum rather than police war stories monthly.
Amen to that. I could easily add additional comments to SDMs reply which appalled me. However as said by a more learned member this is a beekeeping forum not the retired police officers war story forum. I wouldn't normally reply to an inflammatory post but this one needed challenging. Apologies for lighting the touch paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by drumgerry
No need! I'm glad that you did, I was struggling to find the right words. SDM previously accused someone, on zero evidence, of defrauding HMRC. I warned him that one more and he'd be off the forum for good. That thread has since been tidied up but the threat remains.Quote:
Originally Posted by alclosier