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Iam thinking of making my own foundation can anyone advise me of a good mould release.

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  1. Pete L's Avatar
    Soapy water.
  2. gavin's Avatar
    Diluted real soap, diluted detergent as in washing-up liquid, or just a smear of neat WUL?
  3. ebee's Avatar
    Thanks for the tips will try soapy water.
  4. busybeephilip's Avatar
    I make foundation using rollers, I tried lots of soaps , detergents to get a good release agent. If you are using a metal foundation mould the best is probably soapy water, you will have to play with the concentration to find the correct dose. Silicon foundation moulds are good cos you dont need any release agent especially when there is a water cooling system built in. As for using rollers, the foundation industry keep their release agents as a closely guarded secret, the instructions with the rollers i recall say to use a soapy water but when the rollers heat up the wax will tend to stick, it took me ages to find out what the commercial persons use and I aint going to give that information away except to say its neutal pH, non corrosive, non toxic and very slippy
  5. mbc's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by busybeephilip
    I make foundation using rollers, I tried lots of soaps , detergents to get a good release agent. If you are using a metal foundation mould the best is probably soapy water, you will have to play with the concentration to find the correct dose. Silicon foundation moulds are good cos you dont need any release agent especially when there is a water cooling system built in. As for using rollers, the foundation industry keep their release agents as a closely guarded secret, the instructions with the rollers i recall say to use a soapy water but when the rollers heat up the wax will tend to stick, it took me ages to find out what the commercial persons use and I aint going to give that information away except to say its neutal pH, non corrosive, non toxic and very slippy
    KY jelly ?
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  7. Pete L's Avatar
    I have some release agent, solvent as they describe it, on the way from Germany, will be interesting to see how well this works. From this place.http://www.rietsche.de/index.php/en/...FVDHtAodNnUALg
  8. busybeephilip's Avatar
    I'm sure their solution will work out just fine and I bet it was a tad expensive. Your link is to the new type of foundation machine that uses liquid wax applied straight onto the rollers. This works well in warm countries where the foundation sheet will remain subtle enough to bend as you pop it into the frame, once the temp gets cooler this type of foundation becomes brittle as it is esentially a moulded product. The traditional method is to use wax slabs or continious sheets of about 4mm thick that have been extruded under pressure which are feed into a set of rollers where they receive more pressure during rolling. It is the pressure treatment that alters the wax sheet crystal structure and make it more pliable under cool conditions.
    Not sure if using the rietsche product on a fouldation mould would be any better than using fairy liquid. You need to keep your moulding plates cool. Good luck with your moulding. - Phil
  9. Pete L's Avatar
    Their machines are built both ways, Phil, to produce what is to all intensive purposes cast foundation, with the molten wax feeding straight on to the embossing rollers, or using a continuous ribbon of wax made by another machine they manufacture, which produces a roll of wax of five to eight mm thick. Maisimore apiaries over here also use their foundation making equipment.

    Edit, i use rollers Phil, not plates, although i still have those and used to make all my foundation with them, long time ago though.
    Updated 03-12-2014 at 03:35 PM by Pete L (spellin)
  10. busybeephilip's Avatar
    There's no stopping you then, motorized rollers are the way to do it. They are expensive to buy but I've since recovered their cost in the amount of wax I've rolled for others and myself.
  11. Pete L's Avatar
    Yes i agree, they are motorized, have already made a lot of foundation with them this year... that solvent i mentioned has just arrived, now that is quick, only ordered it last Friday.
  12. Calum's Avatar
    Hi
    whey (from cheesemaking) is the best demoulding agent I ever used - by a country mile, soapy water works too, not sure how it tastes for the bees.
    both are commonly used here locally.